In 2018, Baric and Munster's joint bat infection paper (aka DARPA Defuse) wanted 2 more experiments to insert a furin cleavage site to achieve "intracellular proteases." And, "Therefore, it would be interesting to perform an experimental inoculation study using Chinese horseshoe bats, from which WIV1-CoV was originally isolated, to investigate if more efficient virus replication and shedding can be observed in these animals."
wow, that really makes sense now. you really paid attention! why do you think these Drastic people missed all this? why were they so focused on Shi? Was this just some bias or something more sinister? Like deflecting attention away from US work?
That's a tougher question to answer, but all the above. They were obsessed with Shi and her BSL2. Plus sunk costs from all their papers, tweets and research. And most of them were Western scientists who didn't want to implicate Western science.
Jim, in the Defuse proposal there is a lot of talk about testing these viruses in humanized mice models and HAE cell cultures, to be done at WIV. Why do exclude this as a possible lab leak scenario? Wouldn't this explain human infectivity, too?
Also, the proposal repeatedly mentions "three test bat caves" in Yunnan province. Does this refer to the famous Mojiang mine where human infections occurred in 2012?
Yes, humanized mice work for both R01 and Defuse was planned in Shi's BSL2, even using Baric's hACE2 mice, but Covid doesn't infect their humanized mice. It requires 100,000 infectious particles to infect hACE2 mice, which is the same for raccoon dogs. HAE was exclusive to Baric's lab, part of Defuse and renewed R01, and required for furin cleavage site. Shi's vero/monkey cells deleted the FCS. Search "hACE2" and "vero" cells in this link:
But that was Phase 2 of Defuse using USGS, which cost $5M and was never funded by DARPA or Fauci. Instead, they used Munster's transmissible vaccine technology and tested it in the Wuhan BSL4. All the infection and transmission models (e.g. Syrian hamsters only require 10 infectious particles) were in Munster's lab.
It's best to ignore Ron Unz. He's a lunatic conspiracy theorist and quick to insult people who disagree with him. He cannot accept that his Covid conspiracy theory was wrong so he desperately tries to destroy any other theory. Covid really broke him and he probably should seek mental help.
You're right. Covid really broke intelligentsia. Anyone with credentials has a hard time believing other credentialed scientists would lie to cover this up. It's the pedestal they use to attack others.
Unz doesn't have credentials, that is part of his inferiority complex that together with his clinical narcissism has caused his megalomania. He sought a career in academia but abandoned his PhD to make money in the subprime mortgage industry. He also exhibits clear symptoms of paranoia, he probably suspects you're a US govt agent trying to cover up the biowarfare attack against China/Iran. He is not totally stupid but he has no expertise at all and his reasoning is poor, confused and conspiratorial. When he feels cornered he typically starts insulting people as idiots, that's his only option to protect his narcissism. So don't take it personally. Unz is just Unz and he will die as a talented but obscure and bitter old man.
I look forward to listening to the interview. Wife's pushing me to wash the windows ahead of the Lunar New Year holiday though.
Defuse did not call for releasing a novel full length coronavirus in bats. This would clearly be dangerous in the wild as it would allow recombination in bats already infected, although less an issue in a controlled environment (BSL4 with uninfected bats). Defuse planned on using pox vector based virus expressing a novel spike protein to provide immunity to Sars related virus with spike as the antigen producing neutralizing antibodies.
Another concern is does a needle prick introducing a respiratory circus actually cause a respiratory infection?. The immune system in the sterile circulatory system is far less tolerant of foreign viruses than the mucosa where respiratory virus usually infect cells. She would essentially just be vaccinating herself but I am not an immunologist so cant say for sure.
Defuse, as is, was technically safe but expensive, meaning tasty vax baits for the bats to eat. But Chinese bats are notoriously picky eaters because they only eat worms. Therefore, it is hard to keep alive in bio labs. This is the only reason Wuhan is a story. Daszak, for whatever reason, admitted Dani was working on a live bat colony in that BSL4.
But with Munster's involvement, he used his transmissible technology to inject one Egyptian fruit bat, and it spread to the next via the upper respiratory tract. They thought it would work for Chinese bats in Wuhan. The smoking gun email from Schountz to Munster is all I needed to publish. They were arrogant in their BSL4 bubble suits, giving them a false sense of security.
I thought the least controversial part of the book was Chapter 1 since it's a 2.5-year-old post. I sent it to Dani and Linfa, asking for an alibi, but he admitted to stepping down Jan 10. They are as innocent as you and me.
With the narrative Dr. Martin stated in the Eu Parliament I don't buy into this:"Oops, we don't meant to."
When we look at California💣🌈 where the gender idioty killed the fire department and the insurances went away, as they started the fire to build their first AI City.
Please, were will this go and how long will they be in power to do so?
What's with all this families? There is a homeless problem anyways. It's just ridiculously crazy. I am over here in Germany. Nothing better, honestly. Each day many people get killed by not named by nation men... You see?
I have a daughter and I don't feel save anymore. Our old ones are starving, because food and energy prices are through the roof. But all the invited people from many countries come here and play by their own rules. And our courts? Do nothing. Our police? Do nothing. Our government? Do nothing. But they pay them money. Some come here with 5 different identities and guess what? They get the money. One person, with 5 different identities. And nobody in charge cares.
Excellent as always. Ron's self-assigned IQ 214 is another joke and a symptom of his clinical narcissism, the root cause of his erratic behavior. He wants to be recognized as a genius and doesn't like it if someone else is a genius :) The fact that he didn't mention Defuse at all is telling.
Question: if SARS2 doesn't infect Chinese bats, why was it sent to WIV BSL4?
The small, fragile Chinese "horseshoe" bats are only available in Wuhan. They tried to import them, but the US CDC blocked them.
https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/CSU-emails-Schountz-Epstein-biosafety-concerns.pdf
In 2018, Baric and Munster's joint bat infection paper (aka DARPA Defuse) wanted 2 more experiments to insert a furin cleavage site to achieve "intracellular proteases." And, "Therefore, it would be interesting to perform an experimental inoculation study using Chinese horseshoe bats, from which WIV1-CoV was originally isolated, to investigate if more efficient virus replication and shedding can be observed in these animals."
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6316779/
wow, that really makes sense now. you really paid attention! why do you think these Drastic people missed all this? why were they so focused on Shi? Was this just some bias or something more sinister? Like deflecting attention away from US work?
That's a tougher question to answer, but all the above. They were obsessed with Shi and her BSL2. Plus sunk costs from all their papers, tweets and research. And most of them were Western scientists who didn't want to implicate Western science.
Jim, in the Defuse proposal there is a lot of talk about testing these viruses in humanized mice models and HAE cell cultures, to be done at WIV. Why do exclude this as a possible lab leak scenario? Wouldn't this explain human infectivity, too?
Also, the proposal repeatedly mentions "three test bat caves" in Yunnan province. Does this refer to the famous Mojiang mine where human infections occurred in 2012?
Yes, humanized mice work for both R01 and Defuse was planned in Shi's BSL2, even using Baric's hACE2 mice, but Covid doesn't infect their humanized mice. It requires 100,000 infectious particles to infect hACE2 mice, which is the same for raccoon dogs. HAE was exclusive to Baric's lab, part of Defuse and renewed R01, and required for furin cleavage site. Shi's vero/monkey cells deleted the FCS. Search "hACE2" and "vero" cells in this link:
https://jimhaslam.substack.com/p/4-i-shi-zhengli-guarantee-with-my
The DRASTIC guys concluded it was every cave except Mojiang; there were several caves in Yunnan, e.g., SHC014 and WIV1 samples.
https://x.com/franciscodeasis/status/1441176890685939713
But that was Phase 2 of Defuse using USGS, which cost $5M and was never funded by DARPA or Fauci. Instead, they used Munster's transmissible vaccine technology and tested it in the Wuhan BSL4. All the infection and transmission models (e.g. Syrian hamsters only require 10 infectious particles) were in Munster's lab.
The Defuse bat caves:
https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/DOI-USGS-2024-000085.pdf#page=29
It's best to ignore Ron Unz. He's a lunatic conspiracy theorist and quick to insult people who disagree with him. He cannot accept that his Covid conspiracy theory was wrong so he desperately tries to destroy any other theory. Covid really broke him and he probably should seek mental help.
You're right. Covid really broke intelligentsia. Anyone with credentials has a hard time believing other credentialed scientists would lie to cover this up. It's the pedestal they use to attack others.
Unz doesn't have credentials, that is part of his inferiority complex that together with his clinical narcissism has caused his megalomania. He sought a career in academia but abandoned his PhD to make money in the subprime mortgage industry. He also exhibits clear symptoms of paranoia, he probably suspects you're a US govt agent trying to cover up the biowarfare attack against China/Iran. He is not totally stupid but he has no expertise at all and his reasoning is poor, confused and conspiratorial. When he feels cornered he typically starts insulting people as idiots, that's his only option to protect his narcissism. So don't take it personally. Unz is just Unz and he will die as a talented but obscure and bitter old man.
I look forward to listening to the interview. Wife's pushing me to wash the windows ahead of the Lunar New Year holiday though.
Defuse did not call for releasing a novel full length coronavirus in bats. This would clearly be dangerous in the wild as it would allow recombination in bats already infected, although less an issue in a controlled environment (BSL4 with uninfected bats). Defuse planned on using pox vector based virus expressing a novel spike protein to provide immunity to Sars related virus with spike as the antigen producing neutralizing antibodies.
Another concern is does a needle prick introducing a respiratory circus actually cause a respiratory infection?. The immune system in the sterile circulatory system is far less tolerant of foreign viruses than the mucosa where respiratory virus usually infect cells. She would essentially just be vaccinating herself but I am not an immunologist so cant say for sure.
Defuse, as is, was technically safe but expensive, meaning tasty vax baits for the bats to eat. But Chinese bats are notoriously picky eaters because they only eat worms. Therefore, it is hard to keep alive in bio labs. This is the only reason Wuhan is a story. Daszak, for whatever reason, admitted Dani was working on a live bat colony in that BSL4.
https://x.com/peterdaszak/status/1791857388007383179?s=43&t=WnoDDbsfpcbaJvNjgoxNbA
But with Munster's involvement, he used his transmissible technology to inject one Egyptian fruit bat, and it spread to the next via the upper respiratory tract. They thought it would work for Chinese bats in Wuhan. The smoking gun email from Schountz to Munster is all I needed to publish. They were arrogant in their BSL4 bubble suits, giving them a false sense of security.
I thought the least controversial part of the book was Chapter 1 since it's a 2.5-year-old post. I sent it to Dani and Linfa, asking for an alibi, but he admitted to stepping down Jan 10. They are as innocent as you and me.
With the narrative Dr. Martin stated in the Eu Parliament I don't buy into this:"Oops, we don't meant to."
When we look at California💣🌈 where the gender idioty killed the fire department and the insurances went away, as they started the fire to build their first AI City.
Please, were will this go and how long will they be in power to do so?
What's with all this families? There is a homeless problem anyways. It's just ridiculously crazy. I am over here in Germany. Nothing better, honestly. Each day many people get killed by not named by nation men... You see?
I have a daughter and I don't feel save anymore. Our old ones are starving, because food and energy prices are through the roof. But all the invited people from many countries come here and play by their own rules. And our courts? Do nothing. Our police? Do nothing. Our government? Do nothing. But they pay them money. Some come here with 5 different identities and guess what? They get the money. One person, with 5 different identities. And nobody in charge cares.
This country is dying right now.
Excellent as always. Ron's self-assigned IQ 214 is another joke and a symptom of his clinical narcissism, the root cause of his erratic behavior. He wants to be recognized as a genius and doesn't like it if someone else is a genius :) The fact that he didn't mention Defuse at all is telling.