All this evidence confirms my belief that the absence of significant quarantine for all staff working in these facilities is the most likely way these viruses have LL’d. this group of virologists believed the viruses were not airborne, they worked in these labs, packed up at the end of the day, and went home - some of them, like Dani, on the local commuter bus. Most infections were asymptomatic. It was asking for trouble.
Munster was sneaky comparing SARS2 (obviously airborne) to SARS1 (mainly surface except for that HK hotel toilet outbreak). Do y'all interpret this "plausible" airborne paper as a lie? Look at the titer chart comparing aerosols to copper, cardboard, etc.
Sars-1 had higher titers for aerosols. Sars-2 for cardboard. No idea if a lie but Sars-1 outbreak at Amoy Garden Housing Complex pretty convincing evidence it was airborne, as was transmission in hospitals. Doctors and Nurses tend to wash their hands a lot during outbreaks
Airborne is airborne, regardless of the source. A cough or sneeze also generates aerosols, and Munsters own data showed higher titers for Sars.
While the Index case had diarrhea, and the sewage system contributed, they don't rule out aerosols from respiratory system .
“index patient infected a small group of residents in building E and that the infection subsequently spread to the other residents in that building through the sewage-disposal system, person-to-person contact, and the use of communal facilities such as elevators and staircases. These infected residents subsequently transmitted the disease to others both within and outside building E through person-to-person contact and by contaminating the environment.”
I use to think Munster sent Dani his "three-jet Collison nebulizer and Goldberg drum," but it was just a vaccine needle in the Montana mail. Inject 1 bat and monitor for airborne transmission to the next (Chinese) bat. Munster developed this animal model in his EFB bats, Dani was testing in R Affinis bats. She probably suffered a needlestick, self isolated, but it was too late.
All this evidence confirms my belief that the absence of significant quarantine for all staff working in these facilities is the most likely way these viruses have LL’d. this group of virologists believed the viruses were not airborne, they worked in these labs, packed up at the end of the day, and went home - some of them, like Dani, on the local commuter bus. Most infections were asymptomatic. It was asking for trouble.
But SARS was airborne, why would they presume SARS like viruses were not?
Munster was sneaky comparing SARS2 (obviously airborne) to SARS1 (mainly surface except for that HK hotel toilet outbreak). Do y'all interpret this "plausible" airborne paper as a lie? Look at the titer chart comparing aerosols to copper, cardboard, etc.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/nejmc2004973
Sars-1 had higher titers for aerosols. Sars-2 for cardboard. No idea if a lie but Sars-1 outbreak at Amoy Garden Housing Complex pretty convincing evidence it was airborne, as was transmission in hospitals. Doctors and Nurses tend to wash their hands a lot during outbreaks
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa032867?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
think that Hong Kong super spreader event was "aerosolized feces" and broken sewer pipe
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/73/7/e1803/5925219
Airborne is airborne, regardless of the source. A cough or sneeze also generates aerosols, and Munsters own data showed higher titers for Sars.
While the Index case had diarrhea, and the sewage system contributed, they don't rule out aerosols from respiratory system .
“index patient infected a small group of residents in building E and that the infection subsequently spread to the other residents in that building through the sewage-disposal system, person-to-person contact, and the use of communal facilities such as elevators and staircases. These infected residents subsequently transmitted the disease to others both within and outside building E through person-to-person contact and by contaminating the environment.”
I use to think Munster sent Dani his "three-jet Collison nebulizer and Goldberg drum," but it was just a vaccine needle in the Montana mail. Inject 1 bat and monitor for airborne transmission to the next (Chinese) bat. Munster developed this animal model in his EFB bats, Dani was testing in R Affinis bats. She probably suffered a needlestick, self isolated, but it was too late.