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Norm Koerner's avatar

On the anthrax attack perpetrator(s), please insert "alleged" or "accused" before Bruce Ivins's name as the scientific evidence was not conclusive that he mailed the letters (according to the National Academy of Science) nor that he could even fabricate those highly refined, aerosalized anthrax spores sent in those letters. (according to the UN biological weapons expert Richard O. Spertzel.

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Jim Haslam's avatar

Done. But I do believe Bruce Ivins did it because Paul Keim identified his RMR-1029 flask:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/paul-keim-we-were-surprised-it-was-the-ames-strain/

and Keim didn't like Fauci's GoF:

https://x.com/jhas5/status/1376350907487694850

so Fauci later purged Keim from GoF board:

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-anthrax-biosafety-idUSL2N0PQ1ZR20140715/

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the LastManStanding's avatar

I thought so to. Until I heard about the Sandia lab report, and read this Keim press conference from July 6, 2009 www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/0401/02-ask.html

and was forced to reflect upon a couple of passages -

"impetus for getting the Daschle anthrax into Bruce Ivins’s hands came from a virologst at USAMRIID named Peter B.Jahrling. ... within two days of the Daschle envelope’s arrival at Fort Detrick, Jahrling contacted Ivins with this assignment: Determine the density of spores per gram of the anthrax—and let me know what you find."

Ivins told his former faculty mentor, Priscilla Wyrick, “It scared the shit out of me.… I’ve never seen anything with such quality, high grade in all my life. I’ve been working up here for twenty years and I’ve never seen anything that pure. It’s the first time I’ve ever been scared up here.” Ivins volunteered to Wyrick that he couldn’t produce anthrax of such quality. “I’m good but not that good.”

This is where the story gets (even more)weird - Jahrling goes down to DC to meet with none other than neo-con war propagandist Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and proceeds to go through what seems like a stage routine...

"Jahrling, as he circulated the photographs,, suggested something even more sinister: The spores appeared to have been treated with a particular chemical additive, bentonite. Wolfowitz, a foreign policy theorist who also held a degree in chemistry, tilted his head slightly. “Bentonite?”Jahrling informed him that bentonite was the claylike material known to have been used by the Iraqis in their suspicious work with a spore-forming but nonlethal cousin of anthrax."

And the rest... as they say... is 'history' ... of the sad & fatal entrapment of the USA into an neverending cycle of foreign adventurism and massive taxpayer $$$ fraud - all for nothing more than to confirm the enfeebled republic as client state of a tiny terror state with tentacles in every interstice of it's targets body politic. Including Fauci's soon to be birthed "Medical-Industrial Complex."

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Jim Haslam's avatar

Interesting. video on Jahrling:

https://x.com/jhas5/status/1642179560522280967

But there's a lot of evidence on Ivins. & he killed himself; didn't even try to defend himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyy0xMTW70c&t=490s

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the LastManStanding's avatar

Good stuff on Jahrling - I was having trouble 'placing' him. That quote about "if you were a bioterrorist"... and weird smile.

That's exactly what happened. After the pipeline for 'religious refugees' from Soviet Rus to USA was cut off by mysterious demand... the rest of the effulgence flowed into the 'little beacon of demonocracy" in the middle east.

Nobody really talks much about the brain drain which sent top drawer Soviet microbiologists into the camp of those who desired to create a Greater Israel ... and chose to use 'science' to get there!

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the LastManStanding's avatar

Ivans begs the question: what is it about USA and patsies?

Oswald Sirhan Ivans MK Ultra, Walter Bowart's "Operation Mind Control"

the clearly 'troubled' psyche of Bruce Ivans makes him an obvious candidate for the role of the guy who can be used to implicate himself in such a way as to perfectly cover the real perps.

The "Zacks/Camel Club" affair a decade previous had made it clear that the intention to implicate 'Arabs' was there. Why not have a "Palestinian" knock off RFK? Franz... the guy who kicks Ayyab out when the Egyptian confronts him about Camel Club...

is so "missing" from this affair. I'm putting the pieces in place slowly... as I watch him building 'high security bio-labs' in places like Ukraine, after his 'retirement' from .gov.

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Jim Haslam's avatar

I guess it's easy to do something big, Anthrax, 9/11, JFK, etc, if you have nothing to lose like Ivins, Oswald, Sirhan.

Didn't know about camel club lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaad_Assaad

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